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#1 Allan Equality Wu

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 03:15 AM

Hi folks - Let me tell you I've only had this SRW S1 wheel for a month or two and it is fantastic 

I still enjoy it and my mind is utterly blown - Thanks so much for starting up Wheels Down Wednesday 

Lol what a career win---

Now I wanted to create this topic stemming from my conversation with SRW_Joseph (hat tip + thanks man)

If theres any SRW S1 issues that come up reply here

I'd like to note, first issue, I noticed that in past months the Engine Rev / Shift LED Indicators would go off and not work - well that seems to not happen recently - so kudos if its been addressed indeed

Second - Minor complaint + concern - The Left / Downshift paddle is starting to wiggle and it is not as sturdy as the other 3 pedals

Though I can still downshift well + hear the click - it is worrisome because it feels like it may fall off soon 

As soon as I find that screwdriver I'm going to remove the wheel panel and see if something fell off the slot like the spring


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Posted 23 June 2013 - 11:58 PM

Hi folks - Let me tell you I've only had this SRW S1 wheel for a month or two and it is fantastic 

I still enjoy it and my mind is utterly blown - Thanks so much for starting up Wheels Down Wednesday 

Lol what a career win---

Now I wanted to create this topic stemming from my conversation with SRW_Joseph (hat tip + thanks man)

If theres any SRW S1 issues that come up reply here

I'd like to note, first issue, I noticed that in past months the Engine Rev / Shift LED Indicators would go off and not work - well that seems to not happen recently - so kudos if its been addressed indeed

Second - Minor complaint + concern - The Left / Downshift paddle is starting to wiggle and it is not as sturdy as the other 3 pedals

Though I can still downshift well + hear the click - it is worrisome because it feels like it may fall off soon 

As soon as I find that screwdriver I'm going to remove the wheel panel and see if something fell off the slot like the spring

 

 

 

 

worst case scenario u can do this when the Shifter's and Gas/Brake no longer work/Break.   ;)

 

I guess u need to have a G27 as well, but ya.

 

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 07:57 AM

Well known Issue: Spring in the Gas/Brake Pedal(mostly gas because its heavier used) will fail/break after some time of heavy use. Heard lots about it and my one failed too after 3 months. Well it can be fixed by buying a 3rd party spring with same dimensions. Moxley has a photoguide online showing the S1 taking in pieces. So ive replaced the spring - lets see how long this 4€ spring will last in gas pedal.

 

Also i dont understand the point of using the same spring based system for the shifters. The Springs start to scrub of plastic from the pedal itself which increases the way u need to move it until the spring has enough power to do the click on the button + the possible failure of the spring after some months of use. Because shifting is only a button-click it would have made more sense do it the traditional way(technical wise).

 

Else then that i cant realy use the full 360° rotation because its usb cable can get stuck under the gas/brake pedal making it you impossible to go full on throttle/brake.



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Posted 24 June 2013 - 10:12 PM

Well met dawg --- Generally 360 can't be done without mounting the set like so many of the S1 hackers successfully done as seen on blogs


It just occured to me last night and I talked about it to SRW support already in chat

Its not the spring, its that clip on the right,, that broke off , a piece of metal came off and wound up in the circuit board, which I removed when I discovered how to open the wheel


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Posted 27 June 2013 - 09:14 PM

I'd also like to note that the S1 Wheel is mighty tough to keep clean from lint + film 

The rubber parts of the wheel are rather conducive to them , because I may find my hands shifting on the wheel

While we're on this topic--- I'd wish for an infographic on how to hold the wheel properly

In case some first time SRW S1 users experience strain


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#6 Allan Equality Wu

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 07:41 PM

I had another issue that seems to be a non issue but Asking SRW developers if theyve encountered

I was sweeping up the corners at Circuit of the Americas in the C6 Corvette 

And as I lock steering to the right, I couldnt get the wheel turned to the left again by the straightaway in Sector 2

I Suspect The Accelerometer Can Freeze Up If Sensors Detect That You Turn The Wheel To Far Left Or Right

Anyone else getting this either? Could it be because I opened up the panel of the steering wheel / is it something I could inspect too myself?


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Posted 02 July 2013 - 07:58 PM

yup .. seems to be hardware issue .. massivly getting this issue while offroading because there it can happen that you turn the wheel very rapidly .. Input seems to snap over and then just stop for a second or two. Sometimes it needs to be turned full left and right afterwards to get the steering back - well mostly not needed because your car kisses some kind of hard surface xD



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Posted 04 July 2013 - 02:19 PM

SRW S1 vs Game Pad

 

Hi folks,

 

since this is the only thread regarding the SRW S1 I could find here are my thoughts about it.

I`ve been playing this game 7 months+ now until last week with a very cheap xbox knock off game pad. It did me quite well and I felt improvement in lap time and driving every week. It always felt like a big achievement getting close to the top ten in an event. Long story short, I broke the pad a few days a go and felt the need for something better.

Originally I didn`t consider buying the S1, but thanks to google ads (lol) I found one for under 40EUR. Been driving with it for two days now.

 

It looks really nice and is also very decorative in the living room. The driving itself is, compared to a pad much better. I can only describe it that it feels like I am actually driving something. With the pad I felt a little detached from the car and track also the speed dependent steering was always a pain in the a**. With the S1 i feel much more connected to what I am doing on track.

 

The only big downside I can find so far. I am over  two seconds slower with almost every car/track combination then I was before. I guess most of the time loss is due to lack of skill\training\experience with this kind of controller. A lot of cars and tracks feel now very different and e.g. driving the Z4 in Mid Ohio was like a new car and a new track.

 

The best experience so far was driving the Kart, the controller and the Kart seem to be a perfect match, also the only time I could improve my driving instantly.

 

Anyone care to share some experiences about how steep the learning curve was for you? Do you use any special settings for steering rate,....?

 

Even with being slower then before right now I still consider the money for the S1 well spent. Fun weighs out speed for the moment.

 

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 04:18 PM

I also come from a XBOX gamepad and I have exactly the same opinion as you. It also happened to me that difference of about 2 seconds slower than with the gamepad, but I think it is a matter of getting used to this new controller. One thing I did was to lower de speed sensitivity to 0, which I think it improves your performance on the track.

 

By the way, are there any optimal settings in terms of sensitivity, rates and also deadzone or are the default settings already ideal to deliver the best experience?

 

Thanks for your time.


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Posted 04 July 2013 - 04:56 PM

I also come from a XBOX gamepad and I have exactly the same opinion as you. It also happened to me that difference of about 2 seconds slower than with the gamepad, but I think it is a matter of getting used to this new controller. One thing I did was to lower de speed sensitivity to 0, which I think it improves your performance on the track.

 

By the way, are there any optimal settings in terms of sensitivity, rates and also deadzone or are the default settings already ideal to deliver the best experience?

 

Thanks for your time.

 

I also have the speed sens. on 0 I was referring to the pad in my above post.

You are right. Practice is the key. I`ve been wasting this whole sunny day playing SRW and now I am getting closer to my old times. What also helped me was setting the steering lock in most of my cars higher. It feels a little more agile

The only thing I have changed other than steering angle was, I set the steering rate down to 20. The S1 is dialed 1 between 250 - 300 degrees.


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Posted 11 August 2013 - 10:25 PM

A little update: After replacing the throttlepedal spring ealier - now yesterday the brake-pedal spring broke too. Now after knowing what needs to be unscrewed and how to open this piece of hardware ive changed the spring in 17min which is quite fast :D

 

Well the new spring does a nice job like the throttle one. And i can say that the throttle one, to this point, remained stiffer then the original one. Im curious how long it will hold this strength before getting lose and finally break again(i hope not but i guess it will happen do to how the S1 is designed)



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Posted 12 August 2013 - 10:49 AM

both of my springs broke too (shifter) . now im using rubber band . where can  i get springs to replace broken ones ???


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Posted 12 August 2013 - 08:18 PM

Maybe you are lucky and have a store for all kinds of springs near you - besides that there are specialised webstores where you can buy all kinds of springs. i found one in my country that offers 7000 different pieces of springs 0o .. so its near to impossible to not find one that fits in. David Moxley had measured them for me very precisly. I only have the metric values here. One thing is very important. If you find a store - and a spring that has the same dimensions and(for the shifter very important) strength then buy the most expensive one(higher value=better metal(carbon-steel f.e.)) does a great jobs and as a bonus they are extremly silent compared to the originals



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Posted 13 August 2013 - 01:24 PM

seems to be a bad month for the S1,

 

my gas spring broke yesterday afternoon and since I don`t know of any shops in my area that sell springs I needed a quick fix.

While opening it I thought of some brake pedal mod I saw for the G27 pedals. They put some kind of rubber in the spring to make it harder and more progressive.

I used the little black foamy spacers that held the S1 in place in the original packaging(cut to the right size) and put them in every spring except the broken one.

I replaced the broken spring with two springs from a lighter, they have the same diameter but only half the height. I stacked them onto each other and put the rubber foam in. This was much more stable then I expected.

I put everything back together and was quite pleased with the outcome. I like it much better than the "stock" version, you need to apply more force to press the gas and brake and the shifting pedals now have much less travel.

This morning I opened it again and fine tuned everything by adding more or less foam. The brake pedal is now much harder to press. To me it feels just better.

I will order some proper springs soon, but for a quick fix this works really well.

 

@Matrox

17 minutes is quite good, it took me half an hour to open it for the first time. This morning 20 minutes for all four springs and putting it back together. :)


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Posted 13 August 2013 - 09:45 PM

Brake/throttle spring is a nightmare to replace .. you need to unscrew so many screws its redicoulus .. can you give me a link to a how-to for the g27 mod you where talking about - i need to get an idea .. maybe thats exactly what is needed to fix the source of this issue - by stabilising the spring from the inside it will pretty much avoid that the spring is forced sideways under pressure(which is causing that those ones fail)



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Posted 13 August 2013 - 10:06 PM

Brake/throttle spring is a nightmare to replace .. you need to unscrew so many screws its redicoulus .. can you give me a link to a how-to for the g27 mod you where talking about - i need to get an idea .. maybe thats exactly what is needed to fix the source of this issue - by stabilising the spring from the inside it will pretty much avoid that the spring is forced sideways under pressure(which is causing that those ones fail)

they sell this thing here. The stuff I used is much softer and I filled the springs completely. When I open it again I will post a picture here. I think using a rubber eraser  could be a good idea


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Posted 14 August 2013 - 10:39 AM

here is one pic of my shifter spring. You cannot see too much cause of the bad quality of the pic.The rubber stuff got bunched together quite a lot but the pedal response is still pretty firm.

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While I had it open I decided to have some more fun with it.

I have it mounted to a tripod for quite a while now. I used the hole in the back with the winding in it. I put a screw in and just stuck it in the handle for the vertical adjustment of the tripod. This was quite flimsy and wobly.

Between the Gas\Brake pedal mounting points are 4 screws that hold a plastic cap. If you remove them you find a hub which is the winding you can see on the back of your S1.

I removed all that and put a bigger hub and much bigger screw in.

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All the hubs you see on the picture are a little bit bigger than the screw. They fit nicely in the handle of the tripod and the wheel runs quite stable in there

 

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Now I just need some real pedals and I have a less than 50 EUR "sim rig" :D

If someone has some G25\27 or any other half decent pedals for sale I would be very happy. It seems like they are not sold separately.


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 07:45 PM

Hi,

It looks like my SRW-S1 accelerator paddle's spring is about to break/totally loose its strenght in the following days. What is the size of the springs, so I can do some research on where to buy some.

Thanks in advance :)


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 10:07 AM

shifter springs:

 

height: 11.5mm

inner diameter: 5mm

metal thickness: 0.6mm

height under full compression: 4.3mm

 

Throttle/brake springs:

 

height: 17mm

inner diameter: 4.6mm

outer diameter: 5.95mm

metal thickness: 0.6mm

height under full compression: 4.5mm

 

Only buy springs that are made out of carbon steel. That is the best steel available for springs. A spring will cost up to 5€ but they have way longer lifespan from what i notice(stiffness remains higher compared to original ones after months of use - but i guess they will fail again due to the design of the S1)

 

edit: for the shifters your inner diameter must be very accurate for a 3rd party spring. For the throttle/brake spring the outer diameter is very important. There is not much space! and if you can buy ones with flat heads - they have a slight better fitting.



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Posted 18 August 2013 - 11:08 AM

Ok, thanks for the help and all the detailed information :)


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