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#1 Flaren89

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 10:05 AM

Hey guys, I'm here to spread to you the results of my comparison between a bad hardware and a good one.

For this test, I used my 2 computers, the old one is a 5-6 years old mid-low range laptop, the new one is a personal assembled PC with gaming parts. The test has been done mainly on Simraceway with graphic, frame rate and laptime comparisons, but I will do a little sub-section of 2 other games on the bottom of the thread.

 

First of all, let's start with main specs:

Bad hardware: (laptop) intel T4200 (2.0GHz dual core); 4GB RAM DDR2; nVidia G103M 512MB.

Good hardware: (PC) intel i5 (3.1GHz quad core); (2x4)GB RAM DDR3; nVidia GTX 660 2GB.

 

Now, I'm gonna do a premise: With the introduction of day/night cycle in the month of March, SRW team already did a graphic optimization, by increasing the performance without cutting off the visual. This lead those who had a bad hardware like me, to have a better frame rate, which mean a bit better and smoother game experience. This premise because I have o say that with that optimization I already improved myself by 0.5s to 1.5s (depending on track-car combo).

 

Lap & framerate comparison:

For the laptime comparisons I obviously used the same car and track setup. For the track setup, daytime it's the default one meanwhile I turned off damage and fuel consumption to drive always with only 1 liter for also getting out the fuel variable. Test on the new hardware has been done 4 days later than done on old one.

 

Combo 1: IndyCar DW12 @ Sonoma Indy 2012:

Time: old 1:14.4 (15 laps), new 1:13.9 (8 laps).

Assists: no; Adjustment: wheel lock 20°, brake power 100%, brake bias 50-50.

Frame rate: old 31-45, new 178-306.

 

Combo 2: Audi R18 TDI @ Area 51:

Time: old 2:00.8 (13 laps), new 2:00.0 (5 laps).

Assists: ABS (low); Adjustment: no.

Frame rate: old 36-42; new 303-416.

 

Combo 3: BMW Z4 GT3 @ Silverstone GP:

Time: old 2:01.0 (8 laps), new: 2:00.3 (4 laps).

Assists: ABS (low); Adjustment: brake power 100%.

Frame rate: old 22-35; new 170-293.

 

Combo 4: Mitsubishi Evo X @ Pudsey:

Time: old 1:57.2 (8 laps), new: 1:52.1 (4 laps).

Assists: ABS (high); Adjustment: no.

Frame rate: old 13-26: new 72-240.

 

Graphic comparison:

 

Combo 1

- old 1: http://s25.postimg.o...SRW_prima_1.jpg

- old 2: http://s25.postimg.o...SRW_prima_2.jpg

- new 1: http://s25.postimg.o.../SRW_dopo_1.jpg

- new 2: http://s25.postimg.o.../SRW_dopo_2.jpg

 

Combo 2

- old 1: http://s25.postimg.o...SRW_prima_3.jpg

- old 2: http://s25.postimg.o...SRW_prima_4.jpg

- new 1: http://s25.postimg.o.../SRW_dopo_3.jpg

- new 2: http://s25.postimg.o.../SRW_dopo_4.jpg

 

Combo 3

- old 1: http://s25.postimg.o...SRW_prima_5.jpg

- old 2: http://s25.postimg.o...SRW_prima_6.jpg

- new 1: http://s25.postimg.o.../SRW_dopo_5.jpg

- new 2: http://s25.postimg.o.../SRW_dopo_6.jpg

 

Combo 4

- old 1: http://s25.postimg.o...SRW_prima_7.jpg

- old 2: http://s25.postimg.o...SRW_prima_8.jpg

- new 1: http://s25.postimg.o.../SRW_dopo_7.jpg

- new 2: http://s25.postimg.o.../SRW_dopo_8.jpg

 

Impressions:

Let's now talk about my personal experience.

Just like I noticed on the DW12 Hotlap 1 event, I feel like with this new hardware, I can reach the limit of the car must faster than before. But, maybe because I didn't like the combo, Didn't see much difference between the old possible best lap versus the new possible one. This can explain why in half of the laps, for the first 3 combos I did from 0.5 to 0.8 seconds better with the new hardware. Maybe (and I say MAYBE), if I did a full 100 lap training with both, the difference could be only around 0.2-0.3.

But this thing above, can be explained by my premise: "March graphic optimization". Yes, because as I said there, I feel like I already improved a bit from that time because of a better input for better frame rate. This is confirmed on the fourth and last combo: Evo X @ Pudsey.

Usually, the more powerfull is the car, the more you should improve by getting better hardware and viceversa. Then why a "slow" road car have a 5 seconds improvement between the 2 hardwares? Because at Pudsey I still had huge screen freeze problem and excluding the first and last corner, my average fps with the laptop was 15-16. This combo resembles better the average situation I had before the graphic optimization, a situation that now can be recreated with a bit worst hardware than my old laptop.

 

The overall better and smoother sensation on the wheel can be related both better frame rate and a bit different setup on the FFB.

 

Conclusion:

As conclusion I can say: Try to get at least a minimum of 30fps for the track you are driving on, adjusting the graphic every time if you have to do some compromises. With lesser frame rate, you can have input delays that ruin your laptime and training curve, but obviously, better graphic let you have a better visual of the track. From 30 to 60 fps you still get better sensations, but they are close to uselessness, over 60 fps it's just a preference if the hardware can get over it.

Remember also that a laptop, with its low energy consumption and its higher ms (delay) monitor than PC ones, amplifies this situation.

 

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Other games:

Here a little graphic comparison between the 2 hardware in World of Warcraft (fps in the images on the bottom) and DotA 2 (overall better frame rate), just to notice.

 

WoW old 1: http://s25.postimg.o...o_W_prima_1.jpg

WoW old 2: http://s25.postimg.o...o_W_prima_2.jpg

WoW old 3: http://s25.postimg.o...o_W_prima_3.jpg

WoW old 4: http://s25.postimg.o...o_W_prima_4.jpg

WoW new 1: http://s25.postimg.o...Wo_W_dopo_1.jpg

WoW new 2: http://s25.postimg.o...Wo_W_dopo_2.jpg

WoW new 3: http://s25.postimg.o...Wo_W_dopo_3.jpg

WoW new 4: http://s25.postimg.o...Wo_W_dopo_4.jpg

 

DotA 2 old 1: http://s25.postimg.o...A_2_prima_1.jpg

DotA 2 old 2: http://s25.postimg.o...A_2_prima_2.jpg

DotA 2 old 3: http://s25.postimg.o...A_2_prima_3.jpg

DotA 2 new 1: http://s25.postimg.o..._A_2_dopo_1.jpg

DotA 2 new 2: http://s25.postimg.o..._A_2_dopo_2.jpg

DotA 2 new 3: http://s25.postimg.o..._A_2_dopo_3.jpg


 
Most Played games (actually): - Gran Turismo 6 (PS3); - World of Warcraft (PC); - SimRaceWay (PC); - DotA 2 (Steam PC)

#2 reynaldo123

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Posted 14 May 2014 - 01:09 PM

Why the fast FPS has the fastest lap? the answer: with 30-40 FPS the game is laggy, lag means the car is hardest to drive than 150+ FPS.


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#3 supercar1

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Posted 14 May 2014 - 03:28 PM

Congrats for your new computer flaren :D


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Posted 15 May 2014 - 05:32 PM

Good to see, congratiolations

Not only does increased fps give less delay and more feel, but better graphics always gives more immerssion too, more details gives more reference points etc, hope to one day have a PC capable of high settings too ;)


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Posted 15 May 2014 - 09:20 PM

Good to see, congratiolations

Not only does increased fps give less delay and more feel, but better graphics always gives more immerssion too, more details gives more reference points etc, hope to one day have a PC capable of high settings too ;)

Yes, Full settings has more reference points...


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Posted 09 November 2014 - 12:21 AM

I did not want to start new topic so ill ask here .

 

What is the difference between new LED TV-s and LED monitors ?

I use comp mainli for SRW and net . I watch movies on TV . Now that Christmas is coming :-) I was thinking why not upgrade from old 22 flatron monitor

to LED TV . Something like that would be much better : Philips 40PFH4309 .

I haw seen a lot of you tube videos of people playing racing sims on TV . But tell me more is there a catch ? 

34" Led monitor costs 900eur and led TV 300eur . Why the price difference ?

 

And if the TV is ok to use as big monitor please tell me what are the things to look out for before buying .


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Posted 09 November 2014 - 09:32 AM

I did not want to start new topic so ill ask here .

 

What is the difference between new LED TV-s and LED monitors ?

I use comp mainli for SRW and net . I watch movies on TV . Now that Christmas is coming :-) I was thinking why not upgrade from old 22 flatron monitor

to LED TV . Something like that would be much better : Philips 40PFH4309 .

I haw seen a lot of you tube videos of people playing racing sims on TV . But tell me more is there a catch ? 

34" Led monitor costs 900eur and led TV 300eur . Why the price difference ?

 

And if the TV is ok to use as big monitor please tell me what are the things to look out for before buying .

 

Hi Ingange,

 

One criteria that monitor's fan ( hard gamer ) are looking for is the monitor response time ( usually 3ms or less for a very good one ) and the pitch size

 

this criteria is not always given for a TV

 

I'm living in 2 place ( working in Paris during the week ) 

 

at home I'have a 20" Samsung monitor ( response Time 3ms ) + G27

 

at Paris I'm using my TV-LED 32" monitor ( dont know the response time ) + 3rd hand G25

 

same computer

 

I'm always a bit faster at home between 0,2s to 0.4s in average but I don't know why !! ( G27 or may be more beer...)

 

Visually I  difficult to see big diference.  I'm using HDMI to connect the TV, 

 

my hardware configuration

 

old i5-750

4 gb of ram

Nvidia GTX 460 2 GB

 

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Posted 09 November 2014 - 10:39 AM

Thx for the answer  .

 

I forgot to mentioned my hardware config.

AMD Phenom 9650 Quad-core 2.31 GHz

8GB DDR2 ram

AMD Radeon R9 200

Win 7 64bit

 

Now i haw connected LG 42" to my comp to watch movies and SRW looks ok on it , but it is too far away to try race on it .

So are there any more comments if TV is ok to use as monitor .


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Posted 09 November 2014 - 11:05 AM

TV's are fine to use as a monitor. I've been using one for years now and it works fine.

2 things to look at is Contrast Ratio, 5,000 to 1 is worse than 10,000 to 1. The higher the better and the response time. Try not to buy anything over 5 ms.

Typically you're going to use HDMI to hook up so make sure the TV has enough for everything you choose to hook up. 3 is the industry standard basically. Although my Philips I'm using now only has 2.

If it's an off brand TV check before you buy who really made it. For example Sceptre TV's are made by Sony.

Basically just get to know what the numbers mean and look for the off brand TV's to save some money.

Edit: Also don't buy anything that isn't 1080p.

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Posted 13 November 2014 - 05:00 PM

After some research i haw decided that TV im looking for should be :

Full HD 1920×1080 LED LCD  100 - 200 HZ 32 inch 82cm 

With response time 5ms or less .

And TV will be connected via HDMI cable

 

But there is a problem , i cant find info on response time for TV .

All monitors haw this info but TV not . Ewen if you go to official site of manufacturer they miss out that info .

Any suggestions ? 


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Posted 21 November 2014 - 05:25 PM

So i haw come down from 32" TV to 27" monitor or 29" 21:9 ultra wide monitor.

 

How would SRW run on 21:9 ultra wide monitor ?

Does SWR support 2560×1080 resolution ?

 

I wait for answers because i haw sold my old monitor :-)


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Posted 24 November 2014 - 03:31 PM

We support triple screens so I expect that it should work with an ultra wide monitor too, there may be some issues displaying the background images that load in dynamically in terms of not filling the entire screen or possibly being stretched but the game menus and rendering should display fine.


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Posted 24 November 2014 - 07:05 PM

Thx for feedback . I chose 27" monitor that is coming tomorrow :-)


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Posted 29 January 2015 - 01:43 PM

Hello,
 

Does SWR support 2560×1080 resolution ?

 

 

I am using a 27 inch screen and the game works flawlessly in 2560*1440 (my video card ATI HD 6870M supports that resolution).

However it is far better to use 1920*1080 (standard display of my laptop), the game runs more smoothly and allows me to put ultra settings.

 

I hope the game could work using three screens supporting 2560*1440 (since three screens supporting the same resolution should be used).

 

It could be fun using a recent iMac using WIn 7 with bootcamp coupled with 2 Cinema Led Displays...

 

In this case will the game still need the specific dll ? I thought just using extented display would be enough.

 

Maybe the game on 1 27 screen is better than on three screens (since the lateral screens will never show an image as clear as the middle screen).






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